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Topic: God is dead.

+ vv1g !zIkdzn4K1U 7.3 years ago #1,705

Discuss.

+ Ghadmindy !e3nMRNgRq.7.3 years ago, 4 minutes later[^] [v] #14,187

How can He be dead, unless He once lived? And, if He once lived and is God, then He could never die.

· vv1g !zIkdzn4K1U (OP) — 7.3 years ago, 2 minutes later, 6 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #14,191

@previous (Ghadmindy)
I should have elaborated in the OP. I was referring to Nietzsche.

· Ghadmindy !e3nMRNgRq.7.3 years ago, 17 seconds later, 7 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #14,192

@previous (vv1g)
I know, but my argument still stands.

· vv1g !zIkdzn4K1U (OP) — 7.3 years ago, 1 minute later, 8 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #14,195

@previous (Ghadmindy)
Well Nietzsche never actually said God was real but rather a man made idea that has served it's use in society and now "God is dead."

· Ghadmindy !e3nMRNgRq.7.3 years ago, 1 minute later, 9 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #14,197

@previous (vv1g)
Yes, yes. Well, one would first have to prove that God is simply a manmade idea.

· vv1g !zIkdzn4K1U (OP) — 7.3 years ago, 2 minutes later, 11 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #14,200

@previous (Ghadmindy)
Can you first prove to me God is real though?

· Ghadmindy !e3nMRNgRq.7.3 years ago, 2 minutes later, 14 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #14,204

@previous (vv1g)
What sort of proof are you willing to accept? In other words, what standard of proof?

· vv1g !zIkdzn4K1U (OP) — 7.3 years ago, 1 minute later, 16 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #14,207

@previous (Ghadmindy)
Good question... let me think on that.

+ Meals !pwXlx86ASM7.3 years ago, 33 minutes later, 49 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #14,256

@14,197 (Ghadmindy)
Well, the big man in the sky sitting on his heavenly ass is man made, for sure.

· Ghadmindy !e3nMRNgRq.7.3 years ago, 2 minutes later, 51 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #14,260

@previous (Meals)
But isn't that a caricature? I mean, if you put it that way, it sounds stupid of course. But, if I would say, "an innate intelligence behind the design of the universe," it sounds more serious, no?

· Meals !pwXlx86ASM7.3 years ago, 8 seconds later, 51 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #14,261

@14,204 (Ghadmindy)
There is no proof. There universe has no apparent goal or plan. It seems to have arisen from chance and continues on this path. A pious yet perfect god could never create a universe with impiety.

· Ghadmindy !e3nMRNgRq.7.3 years ago, 4 minutes later, 56 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #14,268

@previous (Meals)
One could argue that the great complexity of natural systems argues for intelligence.

· Meals !pwXlx86ASM7.3 years ago, 1 minute later, 57 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #14,269

@previous (Ghadmindy)
Little elves also carve every snowflake.

· Ghadmindy !e3nMRNgRq.7.3 years ago, 1 minute later, 58 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #14,271

@previous (Meals)
That is an unfair caricature.

· Meals !pwXlx86ASM7.3 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #14,276

@previous (Ghadmindy)
Oh? Complex systems? Life? Of course where life emerges will be suitable for it. Also, life is the only thing that can care about such things, so of course it will appear to be the 'perfect situation'.

· Ghadmindy !e3nMRNgRq.7.3 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #14,279

@previous (Meals)
One could say the same for evolution. This just happened to perfectly evolve into that so that this happened, etc. It is an unfair caricature on both sides.

· Meals !pwXlx86ASM7.3 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #14,283

@previous (Ghadmindy)
What are you fucking talking about? Besides no evolution is better than another.

· Ghadmindy !e3nMRNgRq.7.3 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #14,287

@previous (Meals)
I mean this: to say that elves make snowflakes, in relation to the argument from design, is a caricature. That is, it unfairly represents the other side.

· Meals !pwXlx86ASM7.3 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #14,291

@previous (Ghadmindy)
It is called 'reductio ad absurdum'. You said anything with a seemingly complex design must have a creator. It is a valid argument, but it is conquerable and I knew it was when I used it. I was mostly joking, but if you are going to beat an argument then do so instead of simply calling it 'unfair'.

· Ghadmindy !e3nMRNgRq.7.3 years ago, 44 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #14,292

@previous (Meals)
I did not say that, or mean it. What I mean is that things with complex designs seem to have an intelligent designer behind them. I could be wrong.

· Meals !pwXlx86ASM7.3 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #14,296

@previous (Ghadmindy)
Then why don't any animals incorporate wheels or turbines?

· Ghadmindy !e3nMRNgRq.7.3 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #14,300

@previous (Meals)
They sort of do incorporate biological versions. Pumps, valves, tubes, etc.

· Meals !pwXlx86ASM7.3 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #14,303

@previous (Ghadmindy)
Yes, but no turbines. A creator would have had forethought to overcome such problems with his current biological design. Tissue simply cannot make a turbine.

· Ghadmindy !e3nMRNgRq.7.3 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #14,306

@previous (Meals)
What about the circulatory system? What about bacteria with little arms that push themselves around? What about sphincter muscles? These are quite analogous to manmade machines.

· Meals !pwXlx86ASM7.3 years ago, 7 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #14,321

@previous (Ghadmindy)
Yes, but they are also analogous to very simple biological counterparts. Ones that emerged very early in our history.

· Ghadmindy !e3nMRNgRq.7.3 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #14,328

@previous (Meals)
I do not disagree, but they still look like they were designed, or at least seem that way. That is all I am saying. I cannot prove anything I guess.

+ Ks !THZq8DKB2s7.3 years ago, 11 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #14,333

· Anonymous A (OP) — 7.3 years ago, 48 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #14,368

Jesus lives!

+ bobby2sox !!a6896c1567.3 years ago, 8 hours later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #14,460

@previous (A)
He does and He is my savior.()

+ mm 7.3 years ago, 40 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #14,470

let us hereby shower this fora with love as He commanded!

· bobby2sox !!a6896c1567.3 years ago, 16 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #14,479

Amen to that.
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